The Silmarillion Film Project
The Silmarillion Film { Project Session 3-10: Season 3 Episode 5
Menegroth November 10, 2017
Do we revisit the Noldor? Ñ
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Seems unnecessary. Elves wandering up the coast isn’t much of a story. However, the scene in Episode 3 where Fingolfin and Fëanor meet after the Kinslaying and Fingolfin breaks his sword could be bumped back until now. It would give Fingolfin enough time to process and have that reaction, rather than a hasty judgement in the immediate aftermath of the storm.
Angband Storyline Ñ
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There have been skirmishes between orcs and Sindar, but not full-scale battles. Elves flee from the North? Boldog distinguishes himself as the leader of a (relatively) disciplined and organized army…and the way discipline is enforced among orcs is brutal. Sauron and Shelob meet and come to an agreement.
What are Petty Dwarves? §
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Petty Dwarves are exiled dwarves from the various clans, rather than a separate race of smaller dwarves. The name is derogatory and clearly given by outsiders…why not other dwarves? Maybe they don’t have beards, or have severely trimmed beards, to differentiate them from other dwarves? Alternately, they could just be bedraggled unkempt outlaw looking dwarves. [In the text, Mîm has a beard.] Haakon: They won’t lend you their hammer. They ask when you’re ever going to repay the debt from yesterday afternoon. They remind you constantly of the time a hundred years ago when you accidentally stepped on their toes in the dark. Brian Dimmick: Do we want to portray the petty-dwarves as sympathetic and misunderstood by the other dwarves (and elves), or do we want to show them as unfriendly and antisocial folk who got exiled for a reason and deserve their petty name? Forth Dauntless: Wandering dwarves who are anti-social to the usual crafting, mining and building activities of dwarves. As a result of this, we see them branded as petty by the other dwarves, who find their lack of craftsmanship to be unnatural and an offense against Aulë
Thingol gets Menegroth Ñ
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The Sindar are now aware of the orc incursion, and take the first steps to prepare for it with their new allies, the dwarves Azaghâl tells Thingol about the caves by Esgalduin Ñ Ñ
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Dwarves have steel weapons and safe underground strongholds The Sindar have pearls from Círdan that the dwarves have never seen before
The dwarves of the Blue Mountains, not the Elves, kick the Petty Dwarves out of Menegroth. Ó Ó
They prefer the Sindar to the Petty Dwarves as their neighbors The caves are already in Thingol’s territory
Outside Menegroth Ñ
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Círdan and the elves of the Havens are invited to join the Sindar in the safety of Menegroth, but they decline. Eöl learns to make weapons with the dwarves. Denethor and the Green Elves cross the mountains into Beleriand.
Questions for Next Time Ñ
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So, what happens in this episode? If the main battle between the orcs and the Green Elves doesn’t happen until Episode 9, what do the Green Elves do in the meantime? What role do they play?
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What does Treebeard do in Beleriand?
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Do the dwarves interact with the newcomers?
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What is happening in the Angband story line?
Menegroth November 10, 2017
Do we revisit the Noldor? Ñ
Ñ
Seems unnecessary. Elves wandering up the coast isn’t much of a story. However, the scene in Episode 3 where Fingolfin and Fëanor meet after the Kinslaying and Fingolfin breaks his sword could be bumped back until now. It would give Fingolfin enough time to process and have that reaction, rather than a hasty judgement in the immediate aftermath of the storm.
Angband Storyline Ñ
Ñ
Ñ
Ñ
There have been skirmishes between orcs and Sindar, but not full-scale battles. Elves flee from the North? Boldog distinguishes himself as the leader of a (relatively) disciplined and organized army…and the way discipline is enforced among orcs is brutal. Sauron and Shelob meet and come to an agreement.
What are Petty Dwarves? §
§
§
§
§
Petty Dwarves are exiled dwarves from the various clans, rather than a separate race of smaller dwarves. The name is derogatory and clearly given by outsiders…why not other dwarves? Maybe they don’t have beards, or have severely trimmed beards, to differentiate them from other dwarves? Alternately, they could just be bedraggled unkempt outlaw looking dwarves. [In the text, Mîm has a beard.] Haakon: They won’t lend you their hammer. They ask when you’re ever going to repay the debt from yesterday afternoon. They remind you constantly of the time a hundred years ago when you accidentally stepped on their toes in the dark. Brian Dimmick: Do we want to portray the petty-dwarves as sympathetic and misunderstood by the other dwarves (and elves), or do we want to show them as unfriendly and antisocial folk who got exiled for a reason and deserve their petty name? Forth Dauntless: Wandering dwarves who are anti-social to the usual crafting, mining and building activities of dwarves. As a result of this, we see them branded as petty by the other dwarves, who find their lack of craftsmanship to be unnatural and an offense against Aulë
Thingol gets Menegroth Ñ
Ñ
The Sindar are now aware of the orc incursion, and take the first steps to prepare for it with their new allies, the dwarves Azaghâl tells Thingol about the caves by Esgalduin Ñ Ñ
Ñ
Dwarves have steel weapons and safe underground strongholds The Sindar have pearls from Círdan that the dwarves have never seen before
The dwarves of the Blue Mountains, not the Elves, kick the Petty Dwarves out of Menegroth. Ó Ó
They prefer the Sindar to the Petty Dwarves as their neighbors The caves are already in Thingol’s territory
Outside Menegroth Ñ
Ñ
Ñ
Círdan and the elves of the Havens are invited to join the Sindar in the safety of Menegroth, but they decline. Eöl learns to make weapons with the dwarves. Denethor and the Green Elves cross the mountains into Beleriand.
Questions for Next Time Ñ
Ñ
So, what happens in this episode? If the main battle between the orcs and the Green Elves doesn’t happen until Episode 9, what do the Green Elves do in the meantime? What role do they play?
Ñ
What does Treebeard do in Beleriand?
Ñ
Do the dwarves interact with the newcomers?
Ñ
What is happening in the Angband story line?
