Peter Whitlock From
27 Coulsdon Road Hedge End Southampton S030 OJS To: Peter Whitlock From: Muriel Allen 27 August 2002 re: Newsletter June 2002 I read with interest your article on the Will of John Whitlock of Pitton, Wilts 1816 and your comment "Therefore this John Whitlock is son of Henry & Susana Read and the one who married Phebe Redman Nov 22 1757 at Pitton." May I challenge this statement? Whilst agreeing!!. John Whitlock married Phebe Redman Nov 22 1757 I would query whether this was the John bp Dec 13 1733, son of Henry & Susana Hed (not Read as stated). There is another John bp Oct 23 1728, son of Robert & his 2nd wife, Elizabeth (Head), whom I would suggest is probably the one who married Phebe. I have to acknowledge that this suggestion is not my own, but has come about by the examination of manorial records within the Fox-Strangways family papers in the Dorset Record Office by a Colin White. Both Quintin and I have corresponded with Colin as he is also 'a Whitlock'. I put my doubts to Colin and I think the best way to explain his evidence is to attach a copy of the relevant extracts from his own notes. I am grateful to Colin for his permission to use his notes. The copy of an extract from the family tree of Robert attached may also help. The sorting of the Whitlock families from PittonlFarley/surrounding areas of Wiltshire, particularly in the 1600/1700s becomes a nightmare and the use of the words 'possibly' and 'probably' is deliberate as certainty seems hard to prove. I am sending a copy of this to Quintin, suggesting he might like any reply to be published along with this letter. Now to easier matters! Can I have copies of the following please: X4156/1 GenForum trom Lindsay Watson re Walter Francis & May Whitlock ofLdn & Eastleigh, Ham X4418/3 Emails from ColinWhitelock re George C & Louisa H Whitelock of Croydon & Portsmouth X4455/1 Email from Carol Magnuson re Ernest E Whitlock b 1904 of Southampton,Ham NP681 D.Telegraph Jul17 2001 obit of Pauline R Williams of ....re Hugh Whitlock of Milford on Sea NP684 London Guardian Nov 7 2001 obit ofWm.Whitlock from David Whitlock Yours sincerely
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Notes In the land survey of 1720 William Head leased land for "2 lives in being" On 20/5/1727 William leased (by indenture) land from Sir Stephen Fox as follows: a messuage or tenement and a total of 12 acres of land in Pitton, previously occupied by John Head. The lease was granted for the lives of William Head. Elizabetli his daughter now wife of Robert Whitlock of Pitton. and Jonathan son of Elizabeth and Robert Whitlock. On I 1/5/1733 William signed a legal declaration giving his son-in-law Robert Whitlock a plot of ground on his 1,1l1dto . build himself a house. At the annual meeting of the Pitton and Farley Court on 26/5/1748 it was recorded that "Will Head deeased sence ye last court" (held 12 months before) The survey of the Manor of Pitton of 1766 records the tenant of lease No.32 as John North. The property comprised a house. barn. gardens. (lrable land. pasture and common for 2 beasts. The lease was updated to show the lives of Elizabeth (dead) wife of Robert Whitlock aged ()1of Pitton and Jonathan Whitlock son of Robert and Elizabeth aged 42. On 27/4/ l782 the leasehold on the cottage and garden passed from Jonathan Whitlock (who was already dead - see note added to the Rent Roll of Pitton in 1776). into the hands of (his brother) John Whitlod and the lives of his three sons, ie. John the younger 19. James 16 & George II. On 5/4/1797 the leasehold for No.32 (for ONE messuage and 12 acres of land) passed from the current tenant Eli/.abeth Rumbold (previously William Head) to John White(l77 1) and eventually on to Henry White on 29/1/1886 -see WHITE family tree.
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Notes It is probable that John married Phebe Redman of Pitton by banns in the Chapel at Pitton 22/11/1757. (probably his brother).
The \vitness \\as Joseph \Vhii!ocL
John and Phebe had the following children: John. baptised 20/06/1763: James. baplised 07/17()(): Phebe. baptised 02/0 If! Ii)'): Gem)',c baptised 27/09/1771: Jane. baplised 24/05/ l774: Sara. baptised 17/04/1777: Stephen. baptised 0 1/10/ 1780. John's \vile . Phebe was buried 13/03/1808 After the death of (his brother) Jonathan in AbL 1781. John Whitlock. labourer. took over the lease/indenture (No. 32) on ! he coli age buill by (his father) Robert on part of the Backside belonging to a tenement previously in the tenure of William Head. 111 7iS2 [he li\\.:s o! iilc, three sons. John Whitlock the younger aged 19. James 16 & George I J were added to th3t lease John made a Will in 1808 (see Wills and Admon no. 3 I) in which he left his house at Pitton to his son Stephen J
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I A new 99 year indenture was signcdby Stc~hen Whitlock. ":bourer of Pitton. on 28/9/l8l6 for a paymcnt or £ 10-1 Os'(~d_Tile !,Cand Jonn ! tiOJH,I~, .J Whitlock aged 10. son of John Whitlock of Farley. John left a second bouse at Coldharbour to his daughtcr Sara (spinstcr in 18(8) and evcrything left mcr was divided between them. The Pitton & Farley Tithe Commutation Map of 1840 shows a Sarah Whitlock as landowner at Coldharbour. Pitton (map ref. I J()) She was also leasebolder or a dwelling house and garden (map ref. 118) in the join! occupation of of Elisha Whitlock and another. Stephcn Whitlock was shown as a leaseholder and occupier of a dwelJing house and garden in Pitton (map ref. 50). Stephen "as a bachelor. The 1841 census of Pitton shows Sarah living with Stephen - presumably in his house. Phebe
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769) married Thomas Haynes 09/l1/ 1789, witncssed by (hcr brolher?) Georgc Whitlock
Jane (1774) married Thomas Fry 27/6/l7<J9
Pitton & Farley Richard Whitlock mrd 25 July 1683 Mary WassaIl 1. Richard bp 25 Nov 1685 2. James bp 25 Sep 1686 3. Robert bp 12 Feb 1687/88 mrd i. 6 Feb 1712/13 Susanna (Tisdale) brd 19 July 1723 ii. c. 1724 Elizabeth (Head) 1- 4 children of Robert & Susanna 5. William bp 20 May 1725 6. Jonathan Head bp 18 Jan 1725/27 7. John bp 23 Oct 1728 mrd 22 Nov 1757 Phoebe (Redman) Witness: Joseph Whitlock 8. Joseph bp 22 Feb 1730/31 9. Sara bp 30 Mar 1733 10. Mary bp 9 Apr 1735 11. Robert bp 23 Jne 1737 12. Jane bp 24/28 Apr 1739 13. Thomas bp 25 May 1743 14. James bp 31 July 1745
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Notes In the land survey of 1720 William Head leased land for "2 lives in being" On 20/5/1727 William leased (by indenture) land from Sir Stephen Fox as follows: a messuage or tenement and a total of 12 acres of land in Pitton, previously occupied by John Head. The lease was granted for the lives of William Head. Elizabetli his daughter now wife of Robert Whitlock of Pitton. and Jonathan son of Elizabeth and Robert Whitlock. On I 1/5/1733 William signed a legal declaration giving his son-in-law Robert Whitlock a plot of ground on his 1,1l1dto . build himself a house. At the annual meeting of the Pitton and Farley Court on 26/5/1748 it was recorded that "Will Head deeased sence ye last court" (held 12 months before) The survey of the Manor of Pitton of 1766 records the tenant of lease No.32 as John North. The property comprised a house. barn. gardens. (lrable land. pasture and common for 2 beasts. The lease was updated to show the lives of Elizabeth (dead) wife of Robert Whitlock aged ()1of Pitton and Jonathan Whitlock son of Robert and Elizabeth aged 42. On 27/4/ l782 the leasehold on the cottage and garden passed from Jonathan Whitlock (who was already dead - see note added to the Rent Roll of Pitton in 1776). into the hands of (his brother) John Whitlod and the lives of his three sons, ie. John the younger 19. James 16 & George II. On 5/4/1797 the leasehold for No.32 (for ONE messuage and 12 acres of land) passed from the current tenant Eli/.abeth Rumbold (previously William Head) to John White(l77 1) and eventually on to Henry White on 29/1/1886 -see WHITE family tree.
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Notes It is probable that John married Phebe Redman of Pitton by banns in the Chapel at Pitton 22/11/1757. (probably his brother).
The \vitness \\as Joseph \Vhii!ocL
John and Phebe had the following children: John. baptised 20/06/1763: James. baplised 07/17()(): Phebe. baptised 02/0 If! Ii)'): Gem)',c baptised 27/09/1771: Jane. baplised 24/05/ l774: Sara. baptised 17/04/1777: Stephen. baptised 0 1/10/ 1780. John's \vile . Phebe was buried 13/03/1808 After the death of (his brother) Jonathan in AbL 1781. John Whitlock. labourer. took over the lease/indenture (No. 32) on ! he coli age buill by (his father) Robert on part of the Backside belonging to a tenement previously in the tenure of William Head. 111 7iS2 [he li\\.:s o! iilc, three sons. John Whitlock the younger aged 19. James 16 & George I J were added to th3t lease John made a Will in 1808 (see Wills and Admon no. 3 I) in which he left his house at Pitton to his son Stephen J
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lease/indenture
(No:32) was pen-amended on the outside cover to show St~l~hcn Whi[l~ck 35 a,s the ,1::s5ce0:
and garden. WIth the addItIon of thc lIte of Thomas WhItlock 19. aftcr John WhItlock. (ThIS I honws COUldhavc [)Cell 2'>tcpheli through his uncle Jonathan Head WhItlock). ThIS amendment may have bccn 1llerror - sce below:
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I A new 99 year indenture was signcdby Stc~hen Whitlock. ":bourer of Pitton. on 28/9/l8l6 for a paymcnt or £ 10-1 Os'(~d_Tile !,Cand Jonn ! tiOJH,I~, .J Whitlock aged 10. son of John Whitlock of Farley. John left a second bouse at Coldharbour to his daughtcr Sara (spinstcr in 18(8) and evcrything left mcr was divided between them. The Pitton & Farley Tithe Commutation Map of 1840 shows a Sarah Whitlock as landowner at Coldharbour. Pitton (map ref. I J()) She was also leasebolder or a dwelling house and garden (map ref. 118) in the join! occupation of of Elisha Whitlock and another. Stephcn Whitlock was shown as a leaseholder and occupier of a dwelJing house and garden in Pitton (map ref. 50). Stephen "as a bachelor. The 1841 census of Pitton shows Sarah living with Stephen - presumably in his house. Phebe
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769) married Thomas Haynes 09/l1/ 1789, witncssed by (hcr brolher?) Georgc Whitlock
Jane (1774) married Thomas Fry 27/6/l7<J9
Pitton & Farley Richard Whitlock mrd 25 July 1683 Mary WassaIl 1. Richard bp 25 Nov 1685 2. James bp 25 Sep 1686 3. Robert bp 12 Feb 1687/88 mrd i. 6 Feb 1712/13 Susanna (Tisdale) brd 19 July 1723 ii. c. 1724 Elizabeth (Head) 1- 4 children of Robert & Susanna 5. William bp 20 May 1725 6. Jonathan Head bp 18 Jan 1725/27 7. John bp 23 Oct 1728 mrd 22 Nov 1757 Phoebe (Redman) Witness: Joseph Whitlock 8. Joseph bp 22 Feb 1730/31 9. Sara bp 30 Mar 1733 10. Mary bp 9 Apr 1735 11. Robert bp 23 Jne 1737 12. Jane bp 24/28 Apr 1739 13. Thomas bp 25 May 1743 14. James bp 31 July 1745
