PHILOS 2ZZ3 Enns January 15, 2014 Lecture 3 ...

PHILOS 2ZZ3 Enns January 15, 2014 Lecture 3 Assignment question posted tonight Info about assignments posted • Sappho -- want what we don’t have o Have bittersweet sensations on our body  Desire is sensation -- entanglement of mind and body  Called falling in love  Infinite feeling  Cannot be defined • Find beauty in those we love o Become beautiful o Chemistry • Sappho describes falling in love o Desire o Erotic dilemma • Is desire the same as love? o Culturally wants to connected to one another o Can we love without the erotic desire • Eros is more than lust • Running after spinning tops is about sexual lust o Describing that eros is more that sexual lust -- desire for sex  Seen in Plato • Plato sees it as more of a general pleasure o Loving another soul  Strict mind body split  Can be found in friends and loved ones • Gained a legacy from greek history about love and needs of it o Philia - friendship  Affection -- infinity  But not sexual desire  Community and civil friendship o Agape -- love for god  Brotherly love o Eros -- intense  Impossible to control  Sexual in nature  Intensity makes it out of control and desired • May think sappho is shallow and only thinks of sex • Plato contains irony -- contradictions o Comic relief • Tribute to love

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Honor the god love (male) Evaluation of love Best love is the philosopher for wisdom No love compares Should aspire for more than what is capable in material world Intellectualization of love  Extracting it from the experience of Sappho Tribute to Socrates Loves wisdom Virtuous life "only knows about love" Philosophy is the highest form of love love in symposium goes back in forth between Love as god  Noble virtuous Love as desire for what is felt as lack Love is judged based on control of bodies desire and transcendent of these Moderation and control Homosexual love is ideal Not need to control Older man was supposed to resist and just teach masters  a-symmetrical Homo eroticism that is constantly present  Eliminated women from piece Plato theories of forms Important as it seperates us from our embodied experience of the world Perception is inferrior as everything is uncertain and changes  Disconcerning Particularities have to have pure form  Must have this Suggests that the world we live in -- important Legacy of this world view is profound -- Plato is the top philosopher Weak -- defective side Uncertain world of flesh  Women are on this side = closer to their bodies  Weak Pleasures of the flesh Strength Soul Mind Plato forms  Beauty  Ideal - Love of nature

Philosopher Have a desturbing case of the superiority of the philosopher Wants what is good and just and true 2 senses of love Greatests of gods  Extracting from human experience .  Lover will die for his lover even if it is a women 2 kinds of love due to 2 gods of love  Heavens = unchanging relum  Earth -- mud, dirt, women  Common love : attached to women  Attracted to body more than soul  Women no soul  Least intelligent  Only care about sex  Good love from heaven  Heavenly love had no mother  Male lineage  Only for mens -- free from the youth  Stronger and more intelligent  Pg 17 183E Love is not a virtue in itself Bad if its from something bad  Women's Notion of finding our other half 400 BCE God love loves human race more than other god Beginnings of the world  3 kindks  Male  Female  Other  Each is spherical  4 limbs, faces, doubles  Walked upright otherwise spun  Male is offspring of the sun  Female of earth  Other of moon Very powerful creatures Zeus cut the power and them in half  Wound in front -- closed where our bellybutton was  Longed for our other halfs  Desperate to find the cut off counter part  Wouldn’t do anything without them  Moved sex parts to front so they could find one another and mate 

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love draws us towards what belongs to us -- our other half Return to original nature Elimination of the female