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ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL COUNCIL

CONSEIL ECONOMIQUE ET SOCIAL

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UNRES!ffiiCT.mD E/CN.6/SR.22 6 January 1948 ORIGINAL:

ENGLISH

COMMISSION ON THE STATUS OF HOMEN SECO:ND SESSION S~JMABY

RECORD OF THE THIRD MEETING

Lake Success, Nm·r York Tuesday, 6 January 1948, at 11.00 a.m. Chairman: Rapporteur: Present:

Mrs.

Iti.

LEFAUCBETJX

(France)

Mrs. A. COSMA

(Syria)

Mrs. Street Mrs. Uralova

(Australia) (Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic)

Miss Zung Mrs . de Echev.exnia Mrs . Begtrup Begum Hamid Ali Mrs. de Castillo Ledon Miss Pektas Mrs. Popova Miss Sutherland Miss Kenyon Mrs. de Urdaneta

~(China)

(Costa Rica) (Derunark) (India) (Nexico) (Turkey) (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) (United Kingdom) (United States of America) (Venezuela)

Representatives from Specialized Agencies: Miss Naass United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization

Mr. Garvan Secret~riat:

American ]'adoration of Labor

Professor John P. Humphrey Miss L. M. Mitchell

TRUSTEESHIP COUNCIL PROVISIONAL QUESTIONNAIRE (document ~44) The CHAIRMAN observed that tho purpose of the discussion was to decide whether tho Questionnaire took enou~h account of women's interests, and, if /not, to

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not, to suggest additions or amendments and report them to tho Trusteeship Council.

She herself had follo-vred the deliberations of the Trusteeship

Council closely and was convinced that the Council had had women's interests constantly before its eyes.

There were, however, certain parts of the

Quest~onnaire which particularly concerned women, namely questions 24 and 28,

relating respectively to suffrage laws and Judicial organization; questions 132 to 135 inclusive,_ which treated in general terms of the status of women; questions 151 (i); 152, 157, 160, 161, and 165, on labour conditions; question 182, which concerned public health; and question 198, which referred to public welfare.

The CHAIRMAN also touched briefly on the status of demobilized

persons and on slavery insofar as they affected women as well as men.

She

asked whether the members of the Commission desired to suggest any additions or amendments. Miss SUTHERLAND (United Kingdom) expressed the opinion that the Questionnaire -vms already almost too comprehensive, and that in some questions condensation

woul~

have led to improvement.

However, she felt that in question

220, on educational systems and programmes, some mention should have been made of sex equality. A sentence might be added reading: to boys and girls?"

f!Doos it apply equally

The CHAIBNAN agreed vrith !Jiss Sutherland that the Questionnaire might with advantage have been shorter.

How·ever, her proposal

re~erred

to· a later section

of the Questionnaire; the Commission might first accept the section of the Questionnaire, dealing with social advancement, before passing on to educational questions. Mrs, BEG~UP (Denmark) thought that the Commission was proceeding too quickly. Mrs . S'$1ID3EET C~::A:e:st~alma) ._, saidsbhew"Was,··oft!Ohe :· ~;fa:mo . pp1iliil.!Conaaflda~iidii!dtl6Rat shoO'f6ili:tntJimoQ11/3stionfiai:f'e~c.;sfldulddbele.t>nsiderea<Xclause by clause. Mrs. BEGTRUP (Denmark) asked \v-hethcr the word "sex" could not be added to question 166, which inquired about "discrimination according to race, nationality, religion or tribal association." Miss SUTHERLAND (United Kingdom) asked vThether acceptance of the Danish proposal would not make question 165 unnecessary, as that question also referred to sex equality in labour conditions. The CHAIRMAN observed that theoretically the addition of the word "sex" to question 166 might make question 165 unnecessary, but that practically and psychologically it was better to retain both questions. A vote was taken by show of hands and Mrs. Begtrup 's addition to question 166 vras adopted bY: thirteen V.o:t6's.-. in:;:f'avour. /Mrs • STREET (Australia)

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Mrs. STREET (Australia) expressed dissatisfaction with the phrasing of question 151 (i), which spoke of the "employment of women, young persons and children" . She thought that women should not thus be classified along with young persons and children.

She therefore proposed that question 151 (i)

be divided into two 'Parts, one reading "Employment of women", and the other reading "Employment of young persons and children". Miss KENYON (United States of America) seconded Mrs. Street's proposal. A vote was taken by show of hands and .tho Australian proposal was approved by ~eurteon Yot~svdn~favour. Mrs. COSMA (Syria) pointed out that there was no specific mention of vromen' s organizations and associations in the Q.uestionnaire. She believed that a question on that subject would at least stimulate interest in women's movements. On tho suggestion of the OliAIRMAN, Mrs. COSMA (Syria), prepared a question on vromen 1 s organizations, ifhich read: "What women's organizations, if any, exist (in the Trust Territories}? the nature of their services? development?"

What are their aims, their purposes and

And what has been done to encourage this

Mrs. STREET (Australia) proposed to add to Mrs. Cosma's proposal the vrords "Their membership" after "their purposesu; and Mrs. Cosma accepted this addition. A vote was taken by show of hands and Mrs. Cosma's proposal was adopted as amended. Mrs. URALOVA (Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic) said that, at the risk of repetition, she would like to discuss tho question of education in the Trust Territories.

Discrimination against women, particularly in tho

matter of education, was acute in the Trust Territories. Yet the question of literacy was not included in the Questionnaire. She felt that a question should be included on the literacy of women and on administrative expenditures on opportunities for vromen, particularly in the field of education. The CHAIRMAN remarked that the question of budget expenditure was of particular interest. However, it might not be possible to separate expenditures on education of girls and of boys, since in many Trust Territories boys and girls were educated together. detail under question 228.

Moreover, tho subject was covered in some

Miss KENYON (United States of America) suggested the insertion, in tho sub-section of the QuestiC'nnaire entitled !!Status of women"; of a now question reading as follows: and girls?

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Are educational opportunities available equally for boys

Is school attendance compulsory? Do local laws or customs restrict

education f'or vromen?"

She asked whether that would be acceptable to tho /Byelorussian representative

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Byelorussian representative. Mrs. URALOVA (Byelorussian · Soviet Socialist Republic) said that it 1muld, though she would still

lil~c

details of budget expenditure on education for

\·Tomen. Begum HAMID ALI (India) supported Miss Kenyon's proposal. Miss SUTHERLAND (United Kingdom) remarked that the question, "Is school attendance compulsory?" ~shomd.lilggic.al;ly come intot't!!:J.e,,cscd::tioricdov6tGd to education.

She ppintcd; out:, in rop].!yyt'6rM.rs-.. Uralova'j that ::b''udget'tcxp:ena:ft'lllioc-

was covered in Annex XIII D. A vote -vras taken by show of hands, and Miss Kenyon's ;proposal was adopted by fourteen votes in favour. Mrs. POPOVA (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) proposed tho insertion after question 25, in the section entitled "Political advanccme-.nt 11 , of a ne1-r question, reading:

"What participation on the part of the indigenous

population, especially women, exists in local self-government?

Give exact figme

figures and statistical tables."

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A vote 1vas taken by show of hands, and the Mrs . Popova' s proposal was ado-pted by bmlve votes in favour. Mrs. POPOVA (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) also suggested that a new question relating to public health should be inserted after question 179, in tho section dealing with that subject. 11

The question road:

Submit information concerning tho state of birth and mortality

rates of tho local population, in particular of infant mortality. "Point out what measures have boon taken for the prevention of mortality, in particular of infant mortality. "Submit information about expenditures made for the improvement of health." In reply to the CHAIRMAN and Miss KENYON (United States of America); Mrs. Popova e:x:prossod the viovr that tho subject >ras too important to be relegated to tho Statistical Appendix of tho Questionnaire, under the heading "Population". She preferred to sec it inserted as a separate question in tho text of the Questionnaire itself. The

CRAI~T

agreed.

MissS~tiJI'RER;MJ;Nn: (Unitcd·"-KingdomY·If'olt· that tho appendix covered theggrcutd.

She pointed out that provisions concerning maternal and child health were contained in question 182.

~plication

of questions ivas highly undesirable.

Expenditure for tho improvement of health was covered, in a general manner, in tho sub-section dealing with public finance. Mrs. POPOVA (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) replying to a suggestion by Mrs de CASTILLO LEDON (Mexico), agreed that her proposal should appear as /part of

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part of question 182, immediately following the existing text. A vote was taken by show of hands 1 and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics proposal dealing with the public health was adopted by ten votes in favour.

Tho United Kingdom representative voted against it, on the

ground of duplication. Miss I(ENYON (United States of America) proposed that the first sentence of question 133 should be amended to road:

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Hhat is hlle legal capacity of

vromcn (married and unmarried) in civil law, including access to courts of justice, rights to own property, to control earnings, to act as guardians and to engage in business?" A vote was taken by show of hands J and Miss Kenyon 1 s proposal -vras adopted by cloven votes in favour. Miiss ZUNG (China) proposed the addition of the 1rords "inheritance rights" to the first sentence of question 133 as amended by Miss Kenyon. The Chinese amendment was adopted. Mrs. STREET (Australia) suggested tho insertion of the following in question 227:

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To what extent are schools conducted in tho vernacular?"

To an objection by Miss Sutherland she replied that, if any questions that affected women had been omitted from the Questionnaire, it was . the business of the Commission to call attention to the fact.

In a number of territories,

the language of the Administering Authority rather than the vernacular was used in the schools. Mrs. COSMA (Syria), Rapporteur, and Mrs. de CASTILLO LEDON (Mexico) supported Mrs. Street's proposal. A vote was taken by show of hands, and the Australian proposal ivas adopted by cloven votes in favour. RELATIONS WITH THE 'lEUSTEESHIP COUNCIL Tho CHAIRMAN asked for general suggestions on the subject of relations between tho Commission and the Trusteeship Council. ~~s.

BEGTRUP (Denmark) recalled that under the League of Nations mandate

system a woman had been assigned to follow tho work performed in connection . vrith mandated territories and to call attention to questions directly affecting the interests of women.

She wondered whether it would be possible for the

Commission to have a representative at the

meeting~

of the Trusteeship Council

and possibly on the visiting missions to Trust Territories. The CHAIRMAN remarked that the Commission could request the Economic and Social Council to ask the Trusteeship Council to allow a member of tho Commission to attend the meetings of tho latter as an observer. Mrs. STREET (Australia) suggested that the Commission should ask to be represented at the meetings of the Trusteeship Council with the right to participate, without vote, in its deliberations.

Tho Commission's request /should not,

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should not, hmvovor, include a qualifying phrase to tho offoct that such participation was to bo. permitted only vThon questions directly affecting women I'Toro under consideration. Miss SUTRERLAlr.D (United Iungdom) felt that tho Commission could not ask for tho right to participate in tho deliberations of tho Trusteeship C'ouncil uithout a qualifying clause such as that mentioned by tho Vtrs. Stroot.

Tho Commission's request should be based on its terms of '·

roforonco. Tho CHAIRMAN supported tho remarks of Miss Sutherland.

It 1ras most

unlikely that a request for general participation vrould be granted.

Tho

Commission might, however, bo permitted to send an observer. Mrs. BEGTRUF (Denmark) also agreed with Miss Sutherland. how·ovor, did not enjoy sufficient privileges.

An observer,

Sho supported Mrs. Stroot 1 s

proposal as amended by Miss Sutherland. She reminded tho Commission that certain of its recommendations might involve expenditure, and urged that tho Commission should concentrate on those I'Thich it most wanted to soc put into off oct. Miss SUTHERLAND (United Kingdom) called attention to an agreement already existing between tho Economic and Social Council and the Trusteeship Council, co-operation bot1-reon tho Councils wore to be carried out on tho Secretariat lovol, save for exceptional occasions, on which a member of one Council could attend tho meetings of tho other. Hiss EENYON (United States of America) said that tho matter i·ras one which required careful consideration on tho part of tho Commission.

She suggested

that a full discussion should bo postponed until item 15 of tho agenda (document E/CN.6/22/Rov.l) - arrangements for tho representation of tho Commission on the other organs of tho United Nations under Article 70 of tho Chart or - ims roached. For tho moment, it might bo best to keep tho relationship a fluid one. ~ITs. STREET (Australia) supported the suggestion of Miss Kenyon.

In

reply to Miss Sutherland, she said that it had never been her intention thatc..c.c"' a roprosontativo of tho Commission

shoUld~.participate::.J.m-delibcratio:hs

of tho

Trusteeship Council other than those directly affecting tho interests of ivomon. That roprosontativo should, however, attend all meetings of tho Council as such deliberations might take place at any time. It